I'd also like to agree with the above poster about there actually being better perks to use than Jug, and grenade launcher. I never use Jug on any of my classes only because I like stopping power/uav/DoubleTap better. I don't use Grenade launchers because it takes my favorite 1st perk (Bandy) away. I do however employ last stand (because its fun) and Marty to counter other people using it indoors. All in all everyone has the same chance to use the same set-ups, and on top of that you can actually pick up others peoples dropped guns for even more variety and fun. Bottom line is just suck it up, learn to avoid these things when you can and relax when it seems your getting pwned by them.

I'll go ahead and agree that Juggernaut is just fine. I only use it with my shotgun class and even then I still think it's pretty lame. Stopping power is by far better to me. When does Juggernaut help you? Snipers? If you're already getting shot up enough to die without Juggernaut then your aim is screwed up and obviously people know where you are. So both shooting back and running to hide are hindered. I stick with Stopping Power.

Now the perk that really pisses me off is Fragx3. You know what I thought right away when I started playing? "Sweet! No grenade spamming like in Halo or Battlefield!" Nope...they included a perk just in case you want to grenade spam. What takes more skill than throwing a grenade at the sky in the direction of red dots? Throwing three grenades you dummy!

Also, Martyrdom and Last Stand are really just kind of annoying. I get killed by Martyrdom more but I can usually avoid that unless I knife somebody then get stuck on a rock in the ground or a stupid teammate blocking a door. Last Stand guys rarely kill me but it's more annoying than Martyrdom because half the time they fall behind a car or something where it's hard for me to shoot and a teammate steps in and gets my kill.


Oh, and quit saying Juggernoob. I find it so annoying when you tweens add noob or gay to a word and think it's hilarious and clever. Noobtube! Juggergay!

I don't hate any perks. Some people's playing styles differ from mine, and they need to use different perks to complete their playing style.

That being said, I usually snipe, and it sucks when you shoot a guy in the neck, and he doesn't die because of juggernaut. I have to wait for the bolt to pull back to empty the fired casing out, him to push it forward with the new bullet, and then fire. By this time, my target has usually run away behind cover.

So I dislike juggernaut.

Juggernaut+last stand. ....ridiculous. Uses most of an SMG clip just to take 'em to the ground, then you have to baby-sit them to death with even more bullets. Nearly an entire clip wasted for one jerkoff. Its like they get half a second of invuln or something while theyre falling to the ground. This perk combination needs revision.

I don't have a problem with any of them. Although I do think people who use martyrdom in HC matches are idiots.

only idiots? martydom is sick HQ. I like it for the same reason matsacc says. noobtube and juggernoob piss me off though. I played a match and an entire 6 man clan had juggernaut...that was gay....

lol now I know why CrazedDoc hates it so much, I was playing on HQ yesterday on Showdown and he joined, he just camps miles from the HQ trying to get kills, at one point I knew where he was so I went to knife him, he turned, saw me, shot me, then got killed by my martyrdom nade...lmfao

Juggernaut, Last stand when i dont have a powerful enough weapon to take em down even more, I also hate when I get blasted by some fool who things im in a general direction with his 3x Frags I mean damn where do i run lol

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i hate martyrdorm especially on hardcore matches and the grenade launcher perk...no comment

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whatever perks you use, tell every1 else what kind of player you are...
the really annoying ones are juggernaut and martyrdom, because they are the least realistic

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